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cmzoid Cloner
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| Subject: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:45 pm | |
| Proposed SetsSet 1 : Stall the world + Happy Doubles Fun TimeAbility: Contrary Nature: Bold Item: Leftovers IV spread: 31/0/31/0/31/0 Hidden Power: N/A Egg Moves: - Knock Off - Sand Tomb - Rock Blast - Helping Hand All praise discussion!!! (and lord helix) ProgressIn the Distribution Stage
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BlueDryBones1 Breeder
Posts : 1334
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:51 pm | |
| Why Bold when its main moves are Physical? Also wouldnt specially defensive be better? I think set 1 would like Helping hand more over Rock Blast.
Also super slow(the slowest thing ever) so why not use Sassy? | |
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cmzoid Cloner
Posts : 1105
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:55 pm | |
| - BlueDryBones1 wrote:
- Why Bold when its main moves are Physical? Also wouldnt specially defensive be better? I think set 1 would like Helping hand more over Rock Blast.
Also super slow(the slowest thing ever) so why not use Sassy? Yeah, it is pretty slow... And the reason I have it bold with 31 attack IV is because... me be that there stupit . And that I copied Lileep's format...The actual set would be basically straight stall. Rest + Infestation + Toxic + filler? most likely, so I was going bold, but sassy makes more sense | |
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Bunselpower Project Manager
Posts : 2974
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:15 pm | |
| Actually, bold with 0 attack is better imo, because Shuckle likes to run Power Split, so it steals more attack from the foe the lower it's attack is.
I also suggest bold solely because it is really good at swiping large attack boosts from the opponent, and nearly every setup sweeper is physical. I sat once and took a swords dance from a Garchomp and then proceeded to murder things with Knock off. | |
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Mademoiselle C Goddess
Posts : 2868
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:30 pm | |
| - cmzoid wrote:
Set 2 : Happy Doubles Fun Time Ability: Contrary
It basically uses guard swap after raising its own defense with one of your own sweepers
And how do you expect to do raise your defenses with Contrary..? (Also I think the first set is enough) | |
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cmzoid Cloner
Posts : 1105
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:32 pm | |
| - Mademoiselle C wrote:
- And how do you expect to do raise your defenses with Contrary..?
Contrary Shell Smash lowers its speed, attack, and special attack, but raises its defense and special defense | |
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Bunselpower Project Manager
Posts : 2974
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:37 pm | |
| Shell smash Mademoiselle. It's actually a fairly common set. The problem with it as a stall poke is the lack of recovery makes it easy to whittle down. | |
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Mademoiselle C Goddess
Posts : 2868
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:46 pm | |
| Actually I like the idea of contrary shell smash rest toxic infestation set. Sounds better than accupressure to me... We could make only a contrary set? | |
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cmzoid Cloner
Posts : 1105
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:48 pm | |
| - Mademoiselle C wrote:
- Actually I like the idea of contrary shell smash rest toxic infestation set. Sounds better than accupressure to me... We could make only a contrary set?
And I could have helping hand instead of acupressure... well... that makes it one set | |
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Bunselpower Project Manager
Posts : 2974
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:52 pm | |
| Derp, forgot about rest.
I'm all for the infestation set, I have the other one anyway. | |
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rafa Breeder
Posts : 996
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:55 pm | |
| The infestation set sounds great! About Power Split... does it average both attack and sp. attack stats? | |
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Bunselpower Project Manager
Posts : 2974
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:58 pm | |
| Hmm, I always thought it was just attack, but I think you're right, it would make sense anyway. | |
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rafa Breeder
Posts : 996
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 2:59 pm | |
| Then it could have both Attack and Sp. Attack as 0, right? It'd take a ditto with 0 IV in those, however. | |
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Bunselpower Project Manager
Posts : 2974
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:02 pm | |
| Right. Again, I'd give priority to attack. And it's so slow, you really don't need to worry about that being a stat to get perfect. | |
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BlueDryBones1 Breeder
Posts : 1334
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:28 pm | |
| Does Calm deserve a mention? | |
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Mademoiselle C Goddess
Posts : 2868
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 3:57 pm | |
| - BlueDryBones1 wrote:
- Does Calm deserve a mention?
It does, but Bold is still better. Also I'm all for making the spread 31/0/31/0/31/x | |
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rafa Breeder
Posts : 996
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:05 pm | |
| - Mademoiselle C wrote:
- BlueDryBones1 wrote:
- Does Calm deserve a mention?
It does, but Bold is still better.
Also I'm all for making the spread 31/0/31/0/31/x Yeah... it would mess with the opponent's stats | |
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cmzoid Cloner
Posts : 1105
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 4:36 pm | |
| - Mademoiselle C wrote:
- BlueDryBones1 wrote:
- Does Calm deserve a mention?
It does, but Bold is still better.
Also I'm all for making the spread 31/0/31/0/31/x 31/0/31/0/31/0 it shall be!!! | |
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BlueDryBones1 Breeder
Posts : 1334
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:21 pm | |
| But if running Bold 0 Att it would cripple Att more than SpA in which case higher SpD would be more beneficial to balance it out? Also really this thing will be getting hit w/ special moves more? | |
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Bunselpower Project Manager
Posts : 2974
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:53 pm | |
| The biggest problem I have with balancing defenses is you get into a "Jack of all trades, master of none" situation. I'd rather this thing become a full stop to one or the other. Honestly, I think it will come down to what your team needs to wall more. | |
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cmzoid Cloner
Posts : 1105
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Wed Jun 18, 2014 5:55 pm | |
| - BlueDryBones1 wrote:
- But if running Bold 0 Att it would cripple Att more than SpA in which case higher SpD would be more beneficial to balance it out? Also really this thing will be getting hit w/ special moves more?
The difference between its attack and special attack is 2, so after using power split, the change is only 1 point in either direction, so calm and bold just depends more on what people are more opt to hit shuckle with in the first place. | |
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cmzoid Cloner
Posts : 1105
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:18 am | |
| After getting trolled by this thing 7 different times, I'm finally done with Shuckle!!! | |
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Dragon-Flower Cloner
Posts : 1104
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:07 pm | |
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rafa Breeder
Posts : 996
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:16 pm | |
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cmzoid Cloner
Posts : 1105
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Thu Jun 26, 2014 1:35 pm | |
| - Dragon-Flower wrote:
- Also I exist.
Who said that... gasp... it must have been an imaginary voice O.O | |
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cmzoid Cloner
Posts : 1105
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Fri Jun 27, 2014 4:53 pm | |
| Vote on the most important poll in ages!!! | |
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Mademoiselle C Goddess
Posts : 2868
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Fri Jun 27, 2014 5:04 pm | |
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Dragon-Flower Cloner
Posts : 1104
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:39 pm | |
| - Mademoiselle C wrote:
- How about "water"?
How dare you be healthy! | |
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Mademoiselle C Goddess
Posts : 2868
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Fri Jun 27, 2014 8:42 pm | |
| Ok then...
*How about sangria? | |
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Dragon-Flower Cloner
Posts : 1104
| Subject: Re: [Finished] Shuckle Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:42 am | |
| - Mademoiselle C wrote:
- Ok then...
*How about sangria? Better | |
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